Do You Need an Automotive Education?

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6 years 4 months ago #65672 by GTA matt
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rt54321 wrote:
What if, the ASE tests had a large "lab practical" portion associated with them? This way, people that know how to take and pass a test, could NOT pass the ASE cert test based on book knowledge alone. They would have to show an instructor/proctor how they would fix a real-life problem (verify original problem - diagnose failure - replace component - verify fix).


The L1 is comprised mostly of real world questions. You're given a wiring diagram and a problem and must identify where the fault lies. It's as close as you can get while sitting in a room.

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6 years 4 months ago #65674 by cb7ftw
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Anyone know the current cost, and time it would take to get an "education"?

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6 years 3 months ago - 6 years 3 months ago #68838 by MotoPsychic
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Wow. Cool! banana: EricTheCarGuy, awesome thing you got going on. This is my first post. Hello. I love what you're doing with the forum and the videos.

I have a formal education, but I think it's more meeting all those people, that will land a job. Making a friend in class, who gets you a job where he works. Throwing yourself into a pool of workers, can help you find a job, if carefully done correctly.
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6 years 2 months ago #71319 by jakethesnake
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My thoughts on automotive education and ASE are that they don't make anyone the best or the worst technician. School helps those who put forth the effort to learn and actually try, which is a slim number of the students. I graduated from an automotive program earlier this year and what I can tell everyone is most of my classmates watched domestic vs. import racing videos on Youtube instead of learning anything about how to fix them. Well anyone of them do good in the field? Maybe. Will they give automotive education a bad rap? Very much so.

My thoughts on ASE are that to me I enjoy having them. It doesn't mean that I'm a good tech or not, just that I am giving some sort of effort to prove that I want to be in the field. Once I'm given the opportunity, then it's time to show the actual ability I have. ASE certified or not, a technician's ability should be based on the actual abilities they have and the attitude to improve and learn on their weaknesses.

I'll finish by saying anyone who can "run circles around people" or "can fix cars better" because they do or do not have education or certifications need to take a hard look at their ego.

ASE's:
A1, A3, A4, A6, A7, A8, G1

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6 years 2 months ago #72047 by acaylak
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I am writing from Canada

HERE,it is mandotary for some main trades to get a certificate from the ministry after completing apprenticeship program

in order to get the certificate you write a test then for example you can work
as TRUCK&COACH mechanic
AUTOMOTIVE(CAR) mechanic
HEAVY DUTY mechanic

because of several different reasons employers don't want to get the responsibility and prefer to hire certified / educated mechanics.

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4 years 11 months ago #120750 by Murphaayyy
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Hello all! Glad I found this site, very cool. Just wanted to contribute my opinion for other viewers.

In my opinion tech school is a complete waste of money. Yes, you can learn a lot. However with the way the Internet is now a days, there is no reason you can't learn on your own (methods of diag, laws, tactics, and tips). Part of why I say this is I believe experience is a LARGE majority in being a good tech (assuming you are capable to begin with and possess the right traits). The only route in which I could see tech school being beneficial is if one wanted to work for a high end/exotic dealer.

My suggestion to any new tech is to just go do it. No matter what, you are not going to start by pulling engines and diagnosing issues. You will start with tires and oil changes, and that's how it should be. You do not need an education for this. This beginning stage will also inform yourself if you are cut out for this kind of work. From what I have seen in 3 years experience, not many people are. In fact very few people I know or have met can work as a 'good' tech.

As for ASE certifications I believe they mean little but are important, especially to the customers. I myself have 0 ASE certs and it has never stopped me from working at Indy shops (I grew up Indy and will probably stay Indy) and I believe I make good money especially compared to what I see most people typing. The area I am around I would expect a top tech to make ~30+ per hour and be capable of 100k+ in the right shop (Indy only I have no dealer experience). With that said I am going to try and get the ASE certs. I do think part reason on holding off is my degree in finance and most employers find that impressive enough compared to most applicants in this field. The ASE certs will be for customers as I would like to open a shop once I get a little older and have more experience.

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4 years 9 months ago #126190 by DurangoRich
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My son is midway through the Ford ASSET program in the local CC. I'm really impressed with the way its laid out. The kids go to school for 8 weeks, then intern at a sponsoring dealership for 8 weeks, then go back to school for another 8 weeks and repeat the process for about a year and a half. Getting real-world experience out of the chute and CC isn't expensive at all. We get Wyotech and UTI graduates here applying for $12/hr jobs. Yeah, that's what a lot of entry-level people make but many of these grads from these flashy schools are carrying a $20-30K loan debt.

Don't like Fords - no problem. Toyota and other manufacturers offer similar programs.

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9 months 1 week ago #201263 by Cgranger
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I know this conversation is really old but hopefully I can get a few opinions. I'm looking at a few different automotive schools. I'm finding two basic types, one year certification and two year accociate degree programs. What are the pros and cons of each? Dose the accociates degree hold a lot more weight than a certification?

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9 months 1 week ago #201265 by DurangoRich
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I have an AA degree and it really didnt make much of a difference. Admittedly I got mine 30 years ago. My son followed me into the field and also got a degree but his automotive training was more make-specific (Ford ASSET) and I think that was much more valuable in todays market. I would advise against the flashy schools like UTI and Wyotech as they are very pricey ($30K+) and I've seen their graduates taking positions at slightly above min wage. Thats a lot of money to owe for a job that starts low $. See if your local Community College has any classes with manufacturers training. The one my son attended had Ford and Toyota. The cost is substantially less and IMO you get more relevant training.

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