09 Civic intermittent No Crank

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3 weeks 1 day ago - 3 weeks 1 day ago #203658 by Imtiaz
09 Civic intermittent No Crank was created by Imtiaz
2009 Honda Civic LX 4dr Auto, 185K 1.8L
This has happened multiple times.
7am: Daughter leaves for school. 0.5 miles away.
2pm: Daughter Leaves school for home: She said car does not Crank.
5pm: I go there to take a look: No Crank, , no clicking, no buzzing. all dash lights work, headlights are bright.
8pm: Come back: Cranks and runs fine, no loss of power, everything works.

I was able to reproduce the issue by taking the car for a short drive.
Cranks and starts fine (5+ times) immediately and within 1-2 hours after short drive.
After about 2-3 hours of letting it sit, it wont Crank.
After about 5-6 hours, it cranks start, and runs fine.

Trying to eliminate the causes, I have tried the following so far when it DOES NOT Crank: All these resulted in No Crank
  • Tested Battery at two different auto shops , both tested GOOD and CCA above rated.
  • Tried to crank in Neutral
  • Tried to crank in Park while jiggling the gear shifter.
  • Tapped on starter, then tried to crank.
  • Tapped on Starter while having someone try to crank.
  • Changed Starter relay under the driver side dashboard plastics.
  • Placed test light on yellow wire of the ignition switch connector and tried to crank (Test light lights up. )

Does this eliminate the Battery, Starter, P/N Safety Switch, Starter Relay and the Ignition Switch?

I was thinking maybe the Alternator or Parasitic Battery drain, but why would it crank 6 hours later or the next morning?

I'm running out of ideas, any suggestions/ideas would be appreciated. TIA
Last edit: 3 weeks 1 day ago by Imtiaz. Reason: more info

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3 weeks 5 hours ago - 3 weeks 5 hours ago #203672 by college man
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This guy shows some decent troubleshooting. The only thing I would do different is to test the starter in place with a test light or
meter instead of pulling it. Have someone crank the car while you test for power. If power is there and no starter, time to change the
starter. Check all the wiring for corrosion. if no power is seen work your way back.

www.ericthecarguy.com/faq/solving-automo...ms/no-crank-no-start


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2 weeks 6 days ago #203675 by Imtiaz
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Thanks for the reply and link to the video. That was the video I watched a few times to get to the point that I am at, very nice explanation of the starting system.

Checking signal at the starter was going to be my next step, but as you probably already know, its a PITA to get to without a lift.

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2 weeks 6 days ago #203681 by college man
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some car ramps or jack stands should get you up off the ground safely. keep us posted on your progress.

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2 weeks 17 hours ago #203710 by Imtiaz
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I was planning on testing for voltage at the starter, but could not get the car to NOT CRANK after replacing the key fob cover. The original one was cracked a little and I thought that maybe the lock button was getting stuck. Although I did notice the green key light would go off when i put the key in prior to changing the fob cover. I was hoping that was the problem. But no luck, it happened again today, after about 8-10 trips. Of course this happens right when it starts getting cold here in the NorthEast.
Still trying to figure it out.

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1 week 4 days ago - 1 week 4 days ago #203750 by Imtiaz
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I put the car up and tested for voltage at the starter and its good at that point.
I was able to reproduce the NO Crank again, this time by just letting the car run for about 10 minutes and then turning it off and the then try to start it .

I started researching again for more possibilities and ran across another video, this time about Warm/Hot engine, No Crank.

They mention the ECT, Engine Coolant Temperature Sensor, as a culprit. They get that from a CEL and P0115 code, but I am not getting a CEL on my car.
Also, the temp gauge isn't showing that the car is overheating.

Wondering if anyone has any input on that possibility?
Last edit: 1 week 4 days ago by Imtiaz. Reason: more info

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1 week 4 days ago #203752 by relative4
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When having the problem, do you have 12V at the solenoid? If so, check grounds and get starter tested. If not, check the relay, then the starter interlock switch, then the ignition switch.
Checking the grounds should really be your starting point.

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1 week 4 days ago #203756 by college man
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Really the ect has nothing to do with the starter circuit. As stated above, Power and ground needs to be checked when the problem exists.
If power and ground are present and the starter does not crank then the starter is the culprit.

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1 week 3 days ago #203764 by Imtiaz
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Thank you I will test those things mentioned.
Today I watched the video again and this is where I am at:

I am able to reproduce it by running the car for about 10-15mins,
The car starts fine within a few mins of turning it off.
After about 15-20 mins, I does NOT CRANK.
If I wait about 2-3 hours, then it Cranks and runs great.

I followed the video I referenced in my first post,
, but stuck as to what to check next. Here is where I am:

When it DOES NOT Crank:
I am NOT getting a light when testing the connection behind master cylinder (@3:29).
I am getting a light on the yellow wire (@4:37 ) at the fuse panel box under driver side panel.
I removed the fuses in the Main Fuse and the Ignition Fuse in the panel box under the hood (@7:10) and tested them for continuity and they tested good, but still NO Crank.

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1 week 1 day ago #203767 by Imtiaz
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I spoke a guy who used to work at a shop that re-manufactured alt/starters, and he said 99% of the time its the Starter that is the issue and its caused by Heat Soak.
Since I most likely wont be able to reproduce it at the Parts store, it will probably cool off by then, It wont be warrantied.
I'm thinking of putting on a Heat Shield wrap and see if that helps.

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